grouchotrout
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04/21/07 11:40 AM
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not sure if this could/should be a deoxy/projects wiki or not, so i'm posting this here to get some feedback from fellow deoxians...
evangelical christians hand out pamphlets and leave bible tracts laying around in bathrooms and coffeeshops all the time. why don't we do the same using the incredible amount of information and resources provided right here on deoxy.org?
a few ideas i have at the moment include: simply printing out a short article on a topic, making copies and distrubiting them. more enterprising individuals could cut and paste phrases and quotes with images and somehow make them available for other deoxites to download/printout for distribution. in the chat earlier today, someone also proposed incorporating the dissimination of these ideas in an aesthetically appealing package format, i.e. public artworks, sculptures, etc.
let's use all our resources and abilities to the fullest. being an "activist" can mean many things and i think this idea is cheap, simple and effective.
troutout
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E01
(neurobot)
04/21/07 02:07 PM
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...and a meaningless waste of time
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grouchotrout
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04/21/07 06:14 PM
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thank you for your insightful, thoughtful critique, E01. i agree, it is a meaningless waste of time. attempts to disseminate relative, novel ideas within the physical community i live in, in order to instigate the possibility of interesting discourse, at least, actual improvements, at best, is a fruitless endeavor.
since this idea is essentially a 3-d analog to the intents and purposes of deoxy.org, your sentiment has opened my eyes to meaningless waste of time dimitri has spent creating this site, and to the meaningless waste of time i have spent absorbing and integrating the information presented here.
i suspect you will no longer participate with the activities here at deoxy. myself having been enlightened by your stirring speech will now use my time in more meaningful ways such as: encouraging others to not waste their time here at deoxy, not discussing and encouraging others to not discuss such topics presented here with anyone in cyber/realspace, playing world of warcraft, eating doritos and drinking mt. dew, watching professional wrestling, creating home-made costumes of starwars characters, adding sweet mods to my x-box360, gossiping, discussing the faults of the film grindhouse, selling and buying rare dvd's on ebay and complaining about the evils of the world whilst testing the springs of my couch.
again, thank you for leading me in the right direction. i cannot possibly imagine what a hollow, vapid existence i would be experiencing had i not been awakened to the folly and futility of this seemingly innocent, perhaps enjoyable path of destruction i was prepared to embark. bless you, E01.
troutout
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arghFace
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04/21/07 07:51 PM
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could be a waste, or not
but i've come to guess that 'meaningfulness' is a substitute people are seeking for the grounding in the earth that is lacking. Or sub for the experience of the continuum. (ect.. insert your own visceral....
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pusher,there's an ID chip in my thorazine!! Edited by arghFace on 04/22/07 06:00 AM (server time).
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infectedcarbon
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04/21/07 10:55 PM
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alright, now what exactly could one generalize the broad message(s) of deoxy with? maybe advertisements, to an extent, for the site itself. there should definitely be a wiki for this so that ideas can be expanded on, because this idea could be a seed for something worthwhile, in great optimism.
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kiauma
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04/22/07 05:09 AM
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In reply to grouchotrout: thank you for your insightful, thoughtful critique, E01. i agree, it is a meaningless waste of time. attempts to disseminate relative, novel ideas within the physical community i live in, in order to instigate the possibility of interesting discourse, at least, actual improvements, at best, is a fruitless endeavor.
since this idea is essentially a 3-d analog to the intents and purposes of deoxy.org, your sentiment has opened my eyes to meaningless waste of time dimitri has spent creating this site, and to the meaningless waste of time i have spent absorbing and integrating the information presented here.
i suspect you will no longer participate with the activities here at deoxy. myself having been enlightened by your stirring speech will now use my time in more meaningful ways such as: encouraging others to not waste their time here at deoxy, not discussing and encouraging others to not discuss such topics presented here with anyone in cyber/realspace, playing world of warcraft, eating doritos and drinking mt. dew, watching professional wrestling, creating home-made costumes of starwars characters, adding sweet mods to my x-box360, gossiping, discussing the faults of the film grindhouse, selling and buying rare dvd's on ebay and complaining about the evils of the world whilst testing the springs of my couch.
again, thank you for leading me in the right direction. i cannot possibly imagine what a hollow, vapid existence i would be experiencing had i not been awakened to the folly and futility of this seemingly innocent, perhaps enjoyable path of destruction i was prepared to embark. bless you, E01.
troutout ROFL!!! ~Feel the Love~
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kiauma
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04/22/07 05:16 AM
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In reply to arghFace: could be a waste, or not
but i've come to guess that 'meaningfulness' is a substitute people are seeking for the grounding in the earth that is lacking. Or sub for the experience of the continuum.
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pusher,there's an ID chip in my thorazine!! I've come to see that 'meaningfulness' is the 'meaningfulness' that people apply to it. Generally, a desired end is what lends meaning to an act. If someone else's 'meaning' is meaningless to you, that is simply a matter of perspective. All experience is real, even hallucination - though the meaningfulness may be limited to your own personal relevance. What is meaningful to the earth is another matter. ~Feel the Love~
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E01
(neurobot)
04/22/07 05:29 AM
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in reply to you make your own reality
ROFLALAPMASTC
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arghFace
(Episode IV)
04/22/07 05:58 AM
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if i had that mental, so-idealistic-seeming experience of 'meaningfulness' (rather than Just experience in all its Dynamics and Impermanence),
i'd say i've been focussing on meaningful wastes of time the past year.
"in reply to you make your own reality
ROFLALAPMASTC
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Your thoughts influence your reality very much if not unimaginably so, but this does not M E A N that you are creating the reality you desire
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pusher,there's an ID chip in my thorazine!!
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arghFace
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04/22/07 06:06 AM
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In reply to: Generally, a desired end is what lends meaning to an act. If someone else's 'meaning' is meaningless to you, that is simply a matter of perspective.
Other's meanings have neither meaning nor meaningnessless for me, they are a world apart and i respect their bounty.
I have the experience of others wanting to insist i have some idea of meaning, but i'm getting over it through the age old release and acceptance of things 'as they are' (as far as people)
'desired end'
.there is an end?
And again, an end is implying to me a goal, rather than the experience itself
which is back to what i originally was questioning.
Is the 'goal', the goal which carries its meaningfulness, to --->be immersed in and / or enjoying experience.?.
If yes, then meaningfulness = acts that propel one into the here and now.(roughly)
or perhaps meaningfulness = experiencing the here and now(roughly)
P.S Or is the "desired end" to be identified with a beginning of direct experience, which from the present perception is (more or less) remote, and as such the "end" is a figment of the mind's eye, and thus can be given a label, such as meaningfulness
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pusher,there's an ID chip in my thorazine!!
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E01
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04/22/07 04:58 PM
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genii
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04/22/07 09:48 PM
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"Your thoughts influence your reality very much if not unimaginably so, but this does not M E A N that you are creating the reality you desire"
not thoughts
absence of thoughts and clarity of vision
is the way to brain pleasure
and reality programming
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arghFace
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04/22/07 10:54 PM
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nice correction genii
In reply to EO1: That is not the rebuke i thought to see, an empty post, hee hee *-*i*-*i*-*i*-*i*-*i*-*i*-*i*-*i*-*i*i*-* pusher,there's an ID chip in my thorazine!!
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grouchotrout
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04/23/07 07:49 AM
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"belief creates reality." or some such said by a bunch of people.
not believing that this is true is a belief.
"hell is living in a reality others have created for you." - noble drew ali
and one last salvo on the "meaninglessness" of this... i submit to you the church of the subgenius, the principia discordia, "post-punk/noise/mash-up tapes", etc, that created a network of like-minded individuals and helped spread marginalized ideas in the 70's and 80's via xeroxed, mailbox pamphlets/zines, cryptic posters/flyers and public artworks. "SOMETHING is going on..."
getting back to the topic - for those interested - i've done stuff like this before. i've attempted to get others in my local community to engage in such activites but the "street"/graff artists around here are more interested in "getting up" and the activist types are more interested in straight-forward preaching and protesting KFC...
the only limits for this idea should be an individual's imagination. i merely suggested using some of the materials available at deoxy as a seed. original art and writing shouldn't be excluded and is encouraged.
with a multitude of peoples being involved all aspects will be covered and dictated by the individuals specific interests and abilities. some will be more overt and explicit, while others will be more subtle.
i'm having scanner issues at the moment, but as soon as i get this resolved i'll be posting and proposing on the deoxy projects wiki. it'll be there, and those that wish to participate will and those that don't, won't. the beauty of the interweb and wikis!
to get a better idea of the flavor of this project, read this and this.
troutout
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kiauma
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04/23/07 09:01 PM
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In reply to arghFace: In reply to: Generally, a desired end is what lends meaning to an act. If someone else's 'meaning' is meaningless to you, that is simply a matter of perspective.
Other's meanings have neither meaning nor meaningnessless for me, they are a world apart and i respect their bounty.
I have the experience of others wanting to insist i have some idea of meaning, but i'm getting over it through the age old release and acceptance of things 'as they are' (as far as people)
'desired end'
.there is an end?
And again, an end is implying to me a goal, rather than the experience itself
which is back to what i originally was questioning.
Is the 'goal', the goal which carries its meaningfulness, to --->be immersed in and / or enjoying experience.?.
If yes, then meaningfulness = acts that propel one into the here and now.(roughly)
or perhaps meaningfulness = experiencing the here and now(roughly)
P.S Or is the "desired end" to be identified with a beginning of direct experience, which from the present perception is (more or less) remote, and as such the "end" is a figment of the mind's eye, and thus can be given a label, such as meaningfulness
Ah yes, that is a fine perspective. The 'desired end' is that end which one sees as having desired relevance to one's circumstances - yes, even if the relevance is in releasing the 'desired end'. It can be beginning, middle, or end, which as I suspect you may feel is of entirely arbitrary choosing with regards, again, to the relevance of specific circumstances in regards to a 'desired end'. At least, that's the meaning I give it... ;) ~Feel the Love~
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arghFace
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04/24/07 00:23 AM
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hm, you were kinda dancing with me, then going out on your own, and back.. on that one.
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pusher,there's an ID chip in my thorazine!!
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kiauma
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04/24/07 05:49 AM
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Absolutely - the same as you manipulate your perspective and try to decree what is 'factual' in yours.
Same as it ever was. ;)
~Feel the Love~
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arghFace
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04/24/07 10:52 AM
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no, i meant i was staying centered, very centered, while reading it, and noticed an agreement, then here and there where you were terrifically throwing projections this way that were far from my orbit. From the centered, and third eye hold i was withstanding,it was very clear in a viscerally intuitive energetic.
"try to decree what is 'factual' in yours."
may sound like that, but its just words.... i don't live with any facts... just this engineered illusion of breathing
"the same as you manipulate your perspective"
really i wouldn't call being open and receptive "manipulative" (of incoming vibrations)
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pusher,there's an ID chip in my thorazine!!
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Gaz
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04/24/07 12:30 PM
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Let's get back to the idea at hand here.
Me and Glandmaster were discussing depositing deoxy articles / media mediums yesterday on IRC. It sounds like a great idea. In my view the more people who can have more positive choices available to them, then that's a good thing.
The current medium of choice seems to be CD-R. Maybe create video discs of the best of Deoxy.video perhaps? Or an extensive reading selection. We have the choice here.
Of course, this depends on the location where the chosen medium is left. I think sci-fi sections at the local bookshop, or head shops could prove potential mind arousers.
Preaching is one thing; setting free is another entirely
May creativity travel.
Gaz
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"...and reality is? *claps hands* ..." - Alan Watts
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grouchotrout
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04/24/07 04:13 PM
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i think that's a brilliant idea, gaz.
back when vcr's where still in use, i used to dub weird lil audio/video mash-ups over copies of the recent summer blockbusters and sell them back to thrift stores and used video shops. but anyway...
cd-r, yeah, that's a good one. lots of possibilites with this...
so... the first step would be... compiling/producing materials suitable for distribution in any format??? users could maybe open the deoxy/projects wiki or wherever this ends up and sift through available items to make a sort of custom cd-r or poster or whatever?
totally open to everything...
yes, may creativity travel.
troutout
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arghFace
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04/24/07 04:43 PM
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i did that with another friend , here deoxy, years ago with Running Man and Predator and Raiders of the Lost Ark.. totally overdubbed the sound, with acting and sound effects vocalized. Working on getting it to Youtube, but keep forgetting.
In reply to: back when vcr's where still in use, i used to dub weird lil audio/video mash-ups over copies of the recent summer blockbusters and sell them back to thrift stores and used video shops. but anyway...
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kiauma
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04/24/07 05:05 PM
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In reply to arghFace: no, i meant i was staying centered, very centered, while reading it, and noticed an agreement, then here and there where you were terrifically throwing projections this way that were far from my orbit. From the centered, and third eye hold i was withstanding,it was very clear in a viscerally intuitive energetic.
"try to decree what is 'factual' in yours."
may sound like that, but its just words.... i don't live with any facts... just this engineered illusion of breathing
"the same as you manipulate your perspective"
really i wouldn't call being open and receptive "manipulative" (of incoming vibrations)
Ah, then I read it wrong, and I apologize. As you are truly in that place, I commend you. ~Feel the Love~
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kiauma
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04/24/07 05:07 PM
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I would LOVE to see your vids. I think the Head shop idea has potential.
~Feel the Love~
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Anonymous #566
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04/24/07 08:54 PM
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Sometimes I print out articles from Deoxy at work, and read them while on the toilet. The last one I printed was Self and Other by Alan Watts. I leave them in the stall with the few other magazines that are there.
My boss mentioned it while passing my desk. Thought it was interesting. Even mentioned a particular part that he could relate to. Surprising.
I think that there are more people out there who would enjoy learning about the many things cataloged on Deoxy than there are people who wouldn't.
I am for distributing materials. I think a CDR is a good idea. I would begin by handing them out to my friends.
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Beausoleil
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04/25/07 11:43 AM
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Though I'm not interested in merely reproducing materials from Deoxy, I've been thinking a lot about Discordian/Subgenius strategies lately too. I'm kicking around the idea of an online zine, in PDF format, full of art, rants, and clippings meant to shatter illusions and illuminate an honest approach to self in a somewhat Hermetic/Sufic/Alchemical/Thelemic, but more so personal, vein. I can't say much more about it because if I do get going with this I'd like it to be somewhat shocking at first glance, but here's an example of what I've been doing with this so far:
It would be nice to print this out into some kind of pamphlet/comic book. Alien Anthropology will/would be my Johnny Chaos Seed.
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