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Bartleby #520
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03/14/08 10:27 AM


   
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Do we enjoy our misery? new #56376   Analyze | Reply | Quote

Do we?

I don't mean suffering as in ebola or aids, but more like depression...



Lou
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03/14/08 12:40 PM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: Bartleby #520] #56378   Analyze | Reply | Quote

I have always enjoyed this one:

Misery Is The River Of The World
by TOM WAITS


Misery's the River of the World
Misery's the River of the World

The higher that the monkey can climb
The more he shows his tail
Call no man happy 'til he dies
There's no milk at the bottom of the pail

God builds a church
The devil builds a chapel
Like the thistles that are growing
'round the thrunk of a tree
All the good in the world
You can put inside a thimble
And still have room for you and me

If there's one thing you can say
About Mankind
There's nothing kind about man
You can drive out nature with a pitch fork
But it always comes roaring back again

Misery's the River of the World
Misery's the River of the World
Misery's the River of the World

For want of a bird
The sky was last
For want of a nail
A shoe was last
For want of a life
The knife was last
For want of a toy
A child was last

Misery's the River of the World
Misery's the River of the World
Everybody Row! Everybody Row!
Misery's the River of the World
Misery's the River of the World
Everybody Row! Everybody Row!


Lux E Tenebris

Lou

Regret
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03/14/08 03:58 PM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: Bartleby #520] #56382   Analyze | Reply | Quote

i know no we, only i

i don't enjoy my misery anymore, used to though, cuz it made me feel superior like i was the only one(egocentrism? naaah) thinking enough to get so Dpressed.

it was an interesting part of my life, maybe i'll go back to that later but not now.
Now i only feel miserable when im drained due to lack of sleep and overexposure to the invasive emotions of those around me.

meh.

Jillie #402
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03/14/08 06:02 PM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: Bartleby #520] #56383   Analyze | Reply | Quote

I love happiness.I will not tolerate misery when I can control
the circumstances around it. Attitude is a state of mind.
Miserable people are a pain in the arse. Tell them to lighten up.




Anonymous #269
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03/14/08 09:25 PM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? [re: Jillie #402] #56388   Analyze | Reply | Quote

I think misery is not enjoyed, it is relished. You can never enjoy misery becasue misery is the lack of enjoyment, but it can be wanted.
Anyways not to keep up more pyscho-babble, I think the source of misery is due to the lack of knowledge on the basics of coin, credit and currency. (If I may quote John Adams.)



arghFace
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03/15/08 08:09 AM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: Regret] #56393   Analyze | Reply | Quote

In reply to Regret: i know no we, only i

.


me2

WeKnowNoWe!!!

huhhuh



Imp
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03/17/08 06:43 AM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: Bartleby #520] #56410   Analyze | Reply | Quote

I used to enjoy my misery, feeling sorry for myself was like a comfort blanket, as I grew in awareness I found I could not allow myself to be depressed anymore, nevermind enjoy whatever wretched comforts are to be found lurking in a dark mind cloud. Being aware of the ego illusion, the process of emotion and how to control it, it becomes very difficult to allow myself to fall into the misery hole, even more so to bask in it or to seek sympathy. I can be a moody bastard, at times angry, and I would have it no other way, is that enjoying it? How can I be happy being aware of the stink of the sleeping human race and the endless cycle of wolves and pied piper's leading the masses into trap after trap.

'Pissed off' is my condition, but depression is pathetic and I have no time for it anymore, maybe a little despair with the comfort of knowing I can kill myself at any time but thats not 'woe is me' depression, in the very moment there is no place for depression, maybe sadness but not depression. Misery comes from dwelling in memory and fantasy while life passes you by, still, I'm rarely happy, content yes, but I need drugs or love for happiness. I'll settle for leaving joy to the fools, lovers and children, when I'm not in the very moment I've got too much too think about to be happy, when I am in the moment I'm simply content, satisfied with how perfect and beautiful everything actually is when I don't pervert it with a thought or opinion.



arghFace
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03/17/08 07:46 PM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: Imp] #56419   Analyze | Reply | Quote

All is perfect, as the Now 'shows'
being not in the now (not that that is possible, but the illusion of not-nowness is very easy for humanity) can also render an illusion of the imperfect, as well as its own version of Perfect too.
Know.



Imp
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03/18/08 05:19 AM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: arghFace] #56422   Analyze | Reply | Quote

Absolutely arghFace, As Terrence so poetically called it.... "The felt presence of immediate experience". Absence of perfect content is absence of total awareness, total awareness being awareness without thoughts, opinion or prejudice, total experience of the information the senses are picking up without ANY mind distortion, life as it truly is, no reason, no explanation, no time, only experience in all it's purest glory. Thats what being truly awake is all about, thats enlightenment.



Saigo #498
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03/18/08 05:14 PM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: Imp] #56431   Analyze | Reply | Quote

and from there, action within the context of LIFE

awesome.....



Calum
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03/20/08 00:53 AM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: Saigo #498] #56448   Analyze | Reply | Quote

i do think that a lot of miserable people stay miserable because of habit.

in my experience you can stop being unhappy and start being happy. I have plenty reasons to be happy but until recently i wasn't. As far as i know, nothing really changed but one day i found i was happy, and i have been ever since! Well, i'm always changing, so it had to happen eventually, but it was a very pleasant surprise.

One thing though, having been there, i know that you can't just tell miserable people to lighten up and expect it to help them. And that should be the aim of telling them that, not to feel morally superior. Come to think of it, i don't know what to tell a miserable person. They probably allow their external situation to affect their moods, rather than taking control of all the energy they waste being depressed and actually use it to change their environment.

Having said that, this only applies to people living in an infrastructure where their physical needs are pretty much met and they can feel fairly secure in terms of shelter and food for a while. There's plenty of people not in this situation, and perhaps that number could be reduced if more people who are in priveleged positions were to stop wasting their energy on being miserable.


visit http://www.polytheism.org.uk/ and make up your own mind.

Anonymous #272
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03/20/08 01:17 PM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: Bartleby #520] #56450   Analyze | Reply | Quote

I think it's more the drama that misery can bring to our lives. Humans, for the most part, feel a need for drama. So, maybe it's the drama that we get attached to, not so much the emotion.



Imp
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03/21/08 09:45 AM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: Saigo #498] #56462   Analyze | Reply | Quote

In reply to Saigo #498: and from there, action within the context of LIFE

awesome.....




Action from intuition. ;-)



arghFace
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04/24/08 11:33 AM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: Lou] #56976   Analyze | Reply | Quote

For a different Turn of Mind, here we go with a Biblical tidbit of salvageable Wisdom : :::::: :

Is life really worth living? We have in our possession a considered response to this basic question from one of the wisest, richest, most powerful men to have walked the earth. And yet even today his counsel is widely ignored or misunderstood!

"Vanity of vanities," lamented Solomon, "all is vanity!" Solomon used the word "vanity" 38 times in Ecclesiastes as he wrote about life "under the sun." The word means "emptiness," "futility," "vapor"; "that which vanishes quickly and leaves nothing behind." From the human point of view, life ("under the sun") does often appear futile; and it is easy for us to get pessimistic. But we should not mistake brutal honesty with pessimism.

The Hebrew title is Koheleth, and it is the title given to an official speaker who calls an assembly. The Greek word for "assembly" is ekklesia, and thus the Septuagint version gives us the English title of the book, Ecclesiastes. But the Preacher did more than call an assembly and give an oration. The word Koheleth carries with it the idea of debating, not so much with the listeners as with himself. He would present a topic, discuss it from many viewpoints, and then come to a practical conclusion.



Among other things, Solomon saw injustice to the poor, crooked politics, incompetent leaders, guilty people allowed to commit more crimes, materialism, and a desire for "the good old days." It sounds relevant for us, too, doesn't it? Solomon has put the key to Ecclesiastes right at the front door:

Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity. What profit hath a man of all his labor which he taketh under the sun?

Just in case we missed it, he also put the same key at the back door. But assume not that he is cynical or pessimistic: that would miss his real point! Whether he considers his wealth, his works, his wisdom, or his world, Solomon comes to a sad appraisal: all is "vanity and vexation of spirit." However, this is not his final conclusion, nor is it the only message that he has for his readers. We will discover much more as we delve into the depth of the book.

In spite of his painful encounters with the world and its problems, Solomon does not recommend either pessimism or cynicism. Rather, he admonishes us to be realistic about life, accept God's gifts and enjoy them. After all, God gives to us "richly all things to enjoy." [Words related to joy (enjoy, rejoice, etc.) are used at least 17 times in Ecclesiastes.]

Solomon does not say, "Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow you die!" Instead, he advises us to trust God and enjoy what we do have rather than complain about what we don't have. Life is short and life is difficult, so make the most of it while you can.

Solomon initially opens with three bleak observations: nothing is really changed nothing is really new, and nothing is understood. After experimenting and investigating "life under the sun," he initially concluded, "No, life is not worth living!" And he gave four arguments to support his conclusion: the monotony of life, the vanity of wisdom, the futility of wealth, and the certainty of death.

But being a wise man, Solomon reviewed his arguments and this time brought God into the picture. Though man's wisdom couldn't explain everything, Solomon concluded that it was better to follow God's wisdom than to practice man's folly. And as for the certainty of death, there is no way to escape it; it ought to motivate us to enjoy life now and make the most of the opportunities God gives us.

So he asks his listeners to look up, look within, look ahead, and look around, and to take into consideration time, eternity, death, and suffering. In his final conclusion and personal application, Solomon then presents four pictures of life and attaches to each picture a practical admonition for his readers to heed:

* Life is an ADVENTURE
* Life is a GIFT
* Life is a SCHOOL
* Life is a STEWARDSHIP

These four pictures parallel the four arguments that Solomon had wrestled with throughout the book: Life is not monotonous; rather, it is an adventure of faith that is anything but predictable or tedious. Death may be certain, but life is a gift from God to enjoy. Finally, as far as wealth is concerned, all of life is a stewardship from God; and one day He will call us to give an account. ;p



Listener
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04/25/08 11:19 AM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: Lou] #56992   Analyze | Reply | Quote

We also enjoy other people's misery.

More Tom Waits lyrics....

The women all control their men
With razors and with wrists
And the princess squeezes grape juice
On a torrid bloody kiss
What will you be wearing there
The lion or the raven hair?
The flesh will all be tearing
But the tail will be my own
In the colosseum tonight

This one's for the balcony
And this one's for the floor
As the senators decapitate
The presidential whore
The bald headed senators
Are splashing in the blood
The dogs are having someone
WHo is screaming in the mud
In the colosseum tonight

Now it's raining and it's pouring
On the pillaging and goring
The constable is swinging
>From the chains
For the dead there is no story
No memory no blame
Their families shout blue murder
But tomorrow it's the same
In the colosseum

A slowly acting poison
Will be given to the favorite one
THe dark horse will bring glory
To the jailer and his men
It's always much more sporting
When there's families in the pit
And the madness of the crowd
Is an epileptic fit
In the colosseum

No justice here, no liberty
No reason, no blame
There's no cause to taint the sweetest taste of blood
And greetings from the nation
As we shake the hands of time
They're taking their ovations
The vultures stay behind
In the colosseum, in the colosseum
In the colosseum tonight


(Tom Waits/K. Brennan)



Anonymous #558
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04/25/08 08:03 PM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: Listener] #56997   Analyze | Reply | Quote


. . . poetry like that awakens life . . . merci tom, listener and the other person



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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: Bartleby #520] #57024   Analyze | Reply | Quote

"Do we enjoy our misery?"

Some people find misery to be a habit. I never met a human that enjoyed misery, though I know people who insist on torturing themselves just to feel normal.



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05/06/08 08:23 PM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: Lou] #57434   Analyze | Reply | Quote

Misery's the river of the world,
this video helps understanding better what the meaning of that song may be,
so hold on tight to that gold cause you really gonna need it when facing Charon
down at the belly of the Hades...

Misery is the River of The World (Video)






Lou
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05/07/08 05:56 AM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: Annonymos #649] #57442   Analyze | Reply | Quote

everybody row...............

Lux E Tenebris

Lou

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05/08/08 07:21 PM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: Lou] #57468   Analyze | Reply | Quote

there's lots of misery [depicted] within the current american entertainment complex. there seems to be some sort of draw, maybe it's just cultural



Unanymous #587
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05/08/08 10:18 PM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: Bartleby #520] #57469   Analyze | Reply | Quote

Do I enjoy misery? Fuck no! Do I enjoy reading about missing children or 100,000 dead in Burma? FUCK NO! Misery is grounding. Its being knocked out of the tree, surrounded by jaguars. Those who do enjoy or relish misery/depression aren't really miserable or depressed.



Lou
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05/09/08 06:28 AM


   
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Re: Do we enjoy our misery? new [re: Unanymous #587] #57471   Analyze | Reply | Quote

some folks just enjoy a "schadenfreude" moment

Lux E Tenebris

Lou

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