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Dear potential Linguistic Hedonist,

thank you for your precious attention in advance. you was called, indeed.

I am adressing you in the name of all potential contributors of this wiki-collective-deoxy-'project' (as this working name tells it). So to say this 'site' is 'under TRANSPARENT processual construction'. the beginning is constructed by His Majesty Vita, The Prince of Passion, as I/Asenav? named him , right now. main introduction in this new 'movement', as he named it (for now) tells the basics. then some contributions follow, which are rather chronologicaly than hyperspace-wise sorted. the last 'reports' from the chatter's discussions regarding the core of L H this way or another are posted/edited by me/Asenav?, but please understand this as 'collecting the material' (selected by 'random' occasions by me) for the further designs. my idea of this project is this being manifetsed on a CD-rom, or maybe even DVD, with all meta-linguistic 'contributions' of YOU, the potential L H. *smiles* some 'product' ready for art-market maybe.

the concept /manifesto of this 'movement' is itself under permanent, but spontaneous selfreflection of the willing participants. remember:you can always create the discourse the way you wish, by geting involved. either on chatter, where the big eye detects you, or here, by editing this wiki-page.

Love&Clarity

let's build a collective linguistic sculpture together, brothers&sisters of 5th Circuit's addicts-syndicate xxx

Co&Asenav copylefts

To all Naysayers: (Lest muck suckala tu grucks)

Fuck cultural mythology, ontology dissected- My selected behavioural directives have been neglected- My respective subjective perspective and data retention- From the deoxyrobonucleic hyperdimension- Infusing cynicism and lingusitic hedonism through a prism into cognitive activism- Intent to vent to prevent the event of stunted coalescence- For fluency, congruency, novelty, and concresence- In essense experience is practical because the universal fractal appears syntactical-

PHONICS are the sonic harmonic hedonics tangential to the existential architectonics Le Phono tu como Homo!!!! Todos muy sitas, baha gigglas ii!!ii

Asenav/mai-16-07:

a reply to Glandmaster gesture:a removal of my 'laudatio' on the L H wiki (which is posted bellow this remark, in addition). so glandy replaced the laudatio. not deleted it.

So indeed, I myself thought of this placement of this 'laudatio' for the potential Linguistic Hedonist, to be adressed. placement of it here, on the 'talk' of this wiki. this 'talk' is in general totaly interresting, I thought, because that's the back-stage of ...the 'transparent under-construction' of the wiki-LH. but I posted that most important call for participation again, I think that sentence reffers directly to mckenna, which follows by Vita. and this thought is also derived from it. so I think it's 'inviting'. encouraging cooperation/involvement. which is the point. for now. no hurry. or is it? in each case, some people got interrested in L H meme so I posted a short intro for those purposes, adressing primary the involvement-possibility first. 'to make them interrested', and not declaring it all analysed and written down to some hierarchy of priorities. directions. because it's not formed itself. it is geting formed by the process of participations. but this goes really in the direction of a blog-form. I wished.

Love&Clarity

VanesAsenaV?

ps.: and, my recent idea: the power of common intention is constitutive for each struggle.

: I moved the text from the LH page as the talk page was kinda empty after I banished the deleted page discussion to its own home. The talk pages are not hidden or second class in any way - they are designed for you to discuss the page at hand, that can be the form of peeps asking for clarification or as on the Praxis talk pages a way for the contributors to work together away from the main pages but still out in the open. We felt that openly organising ourselves was as important a way of attracting new contributors as having well designed main pages. I felt the text you put at the top of the page was a great way to start a talk page but not a way to start the main article. As I said to you in chatter putting your names everywhere and leaving copyleft notices (even if in jest) says this is my page do not touch. I can see your point when you say you wanted the initial feel of the page to say 'join in this isnt a set idea' - perhaps the page could be laid out better to communicate this idea? Check the history for the Praxis page - it took me a while to get to the point as you can see!

: This and every other wiki is:

: a work in progress,
: a open invitation to collaborate
: a community using a resource not a group of individuals using a resource

: by default

: I dont feel we need to hammer these points home on every article - you can always add some extra links to the relevant talk pages as we did on the Praxis pages. I moved this discussion down the page to allow your invitation to collaborate to sit at the top where it feels more natural to me.

: I will reply later as time allows with my ideas regarding the actual content of the LH page, which in brief I find confusing, poorly laid out and more than a little self indulgent. Thats not to say I cannot see potential - hedonism is a overarching principal I try to live by and linguistics is my main area of interest so when I have more time I would like to refactor this page to show what can be done.

: I will leave you with this question: 'Were all the avant guard artists that we study and appreciate today purveyors of utter randomness and noise or were they old masters who insisted on showing their idea of beauty in a way that shattered preconceptions AND provided art?' Discuss :D Glandmaster

10:36:26 {Asenav} Glandmaster...now you appear, as I am leaving...you meaney...you inspired me ...I mean, great..I mean thx for your education on it..now I got it all...you brought it to the form...oh, I am most excited...well, I'll try not to dream too much about this now...ciao
10:37:20 Glandmaster winks
10:37:39 {Asenav} I mean on http://deoxy.org/wiki/Linguistic_Hedonism_Talk ...that was out of context..but I am sleepy...so excused...L&C
10:39:26 {Asenav} and...it's like you said - it's going to blod-direction...and I agree absolutely with your moves...I mean, i wanted to make it that way myself..and all...well, you really take care of it...I feel really good about it...great , totally...ok, bye...*leaves with mixed feelings/excitement/sleepiness*
10:39:42 {Asenav} blog* ..
10:40:34 {Glandmaster} well a group blog can be a good idea too - we have fun with the one attached to maybelogic academy
10:40:36 {Asenav} whatever...I'll make some more reductions on the actually L H wiki...to make it really look nice at least...if not yet fully informational...

: Thanks for saying thanks. I think the most challenging idea wikis present is the idea of unknown community. In the immediate sense thats us - the 'editor'. In the short term its the other contributors (via the recent changes page and feeds) and finally in the WikiNow - everyone. Note that at each stage that includes us and any one else.

: In the mundane sense this means you can edit till you are happy - or give up! As long as you leave some clues for the other contributors chances are someone will fix it (example). This should mean that the page is sorted but if not everyone always has the chance to correct it (example).

: Heres a quote for the un-mundane sense:

: 'If being human isnt simply a sense of being born flesh and blood, if it is instead a way of thinking, acting and feeling then I am hopeful that one day I will discover my own humanity. Untill then Commander Maddox, I will continue learning, changing, growing and trying to become more than what I am.' [1]

: Commander Data from ST:TNG provides a great meme for exploring online communities. He is aware that he is among humans and is careful to consider his limitations (which I feel we share online) whilst being bold enough to actually participate. Hinteresting eh? Glandmaster

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Asenav/mai-17-07:

So,first - I removed the chatter-talk-reports from LH-wiki. thou I left one 'report', which reflects some usual misunderstandings of Linguistic Hedonism, by chatters.

Yes Glandy, I am most thankfull for your involvement. as you removed my 'laudatio' from LH-wiki and as I started to think about your gesture and some of your comments I became more structured vision of where this project is going. you was trully needed, I'd say. actually it seems all so clear for me now that I wonder how I didn't come to exactly this simple structuring/designing ideas myself. but...we share the experiences here and serve with the best we can, so it's all logically exciting. yay.

so, the most immidiatelly addoptable idea for me is to name this LH-wiki a 'collective blog'. 'group-blog', as you named it. and to understand it in this sense.

your 'criticism' of the concept and it's presentation of L H on this wiki is welcome Glandy, but you see yourself - your intervention immidiatelly caused some more activity. the case , in general, in chronology of this wiki and the whole notion of L H has been born on the chatter. and it took months that people interrested in this found each other and confirmed each others' struggles with 'subscribing' to the notion of L H as theirs. but not all are 'active' in creational sense on the wiki.yet. BUT...I realised that common projects demmand a lot of time. for now there is a meme of L H. and some of us 'work' on spreading this meme with passion. on chatter. and in our heads and creative activites.

Gland, you've opened a pretty demmanding discpurse with your question 'Were all the avant guard artists that we study and appreciate today purveyors of utter randomness and noise or were they old masters who insisted on showing their idea of beauty in a way that shattered preconceptions AND provided art?'

in art-theory the discussion about the value and ethical pureness of avantguards was questioned immensly, espetially in the 70s and 80s: the involvement of russian constructivism at communistic terror and a passive attitude and naivitee of french dadaism and surrealism towards comming ww1 and ww2, italian futurism, colaborating with Mussolini. but easthetically questioned, you answered perfectly your question already. heh. if I rephrase it, from my point of view (which is a view of a progressive art-theory, I'd say, 'progressive'=not denieing a priori each historical achievement on account of a new proposal..so I stand for anti-nihilism): 'the 'old' avantguard artists are truly 'old masters' precisely because they showed their idea of beauty in a way that shattered preconceptions in art (also) with strategy of randomness.' (the problem of randomness, for example, was one of the most cruical topics in dadaism, described and classified by a german experimental filmmaker and theorist Hans Richter):

"1964: His book Dada, Kunst und Anti-Kunst is published. The book has since become the standard art historical text on the Dada movement." ( http://www.mayastendhalgallery.com/u_language_richter-bio.html )

...nice you've mentioned the randomness...'noise'.Glandy. the things they blamed dada for as being not artistic (like randomness-beauty of the patterns, put together by a random act...) are the most valuable tendencies. opposed to precise cannonised patterns (='preconceptions') of the earlier historical art-periods. but...that's a huge topic. thou I am a natural born worshipper of avantguards. first in that time artists got aware of ideological necessity and (not material existential) joy to work in a collective, to EXPERIMENT in a collective. (since art-collectives, in classical bourgeoise-manner, existed already before, like middle-age scriptoriums for example...but those collectives were based on hierarchy and social status and money-pragmatism, and not on creative experimenal impulses primary, as in avantguards). and the 'creational collectivism' of avantgards is the connection...to deoxy. dadaists would addopt immidiatelly deoxy-ideology and technological transparency of it, for average internet-user. some most utilitaristic ideals, combined with spiritual elitism and 'entlightened'/not-brainwashed ideologists...there is more. but that's why we are here. I suppose.

oh, and...'unknown community'...but the struggle is to get more connected, to get to know each other better, or the most, and to act together. TOGETHERNESS. so, I'd say: a 'potential community'.

Love&Clarity

V. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Asenav/mai-18-07

[1]

I don't get it...I can't post pictures here any more? ok, yes I can... but how do I make them smaller? and in one line - to be compared?

: Check the source. ;) Glandmaster

i think you can use just <img src="http://picture" width="80" height="80">
or you can also try Corel Draw or something to resize the image

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LOVE

Asenav/mai-28-07

Glandmaster - I posted the link to Relayer's audio-file at the beginning, but I dunno how to make this more 'elegant'. pr 'propper'. there are some instructions how to post mp3's or somtn, but I didn't relaly understand it, or I took not enough time to understand it. so, I would appreciate your help. thx.

: I went to the fron page of media and found the following. I am not trying to say the info was easy to find - my point is that if you can see something that works that you like, click edit - nab it and adjust it to your own page - easy.

: When editing wiki pages use the following macros to include a "Play this page as an MP3/RAM playlist" link in the page. Multiple tags are supported so, for example, one can be put at the top and bottom of long pages, or both types can be used on pages with mixed media types.

: MP3: @m3u@
: Realmedia: @ram@

: I added the @m3u@ tag at the top of the page - move it as you see fit. Glandmaster